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Amy ([personal profile] brightknightie) wrote2020-05-17 04:56 pm

scope of FK's vampiric hypnotism (just pondering)

How often in canon does an FK episode deploy vampiric hypnotism to make a character do something against his or her will or nature?

That is, we very frequently see it used to make a character forget something, or to accept an interpretation or explanation, or to not feel pain (up to even the extreme of not trying to stop a vampire character from killing). Those can perhaps be classed as negative actions, the absence or reversal of actions. What is there on the other side, positive actions, presence of action, that the hypnotized individual is not inclined to do? There are incidents of Nick using hypnotism to strongly encourage -- compel -- perpetrators to confess and reporters to back off. There's the time Nick unquestionably abused his ability to get Schanke to both drive him home and wash the Caddy. There's perhaps Natalie letting Spark into her apartment (but lots of interpretive complications there, from being a documented resister, of course, to apparently having intended to let him in had things gone as she planned). And there's Emily ceasing to write her Vampire Sagas books (presumably going on to write other books, I hope), but again this is stopping something rather than starting, and may have been something she was inclined to do, anyway, under the circumstances.

Off the top of my head, though, no episode incident of vampire hypnotism approaches compelling the action that the human/technology hypnotism of "Strings" does, where the victim commits murder under its influence. Or even "Faithful Followers," where the motivation situation is more complex than in "Strings," but fundamentally similar.

(Real-life hypnotism, both for stage and therapy, is scientifically controversial, a quick glance at Wikipedia confirms. Yet it seems generally uncontroversial to say that whatever else it is, there is heightened suggestibility, but not too heightened. That is, a cooperative patient and therapist together may accomplish something, but there's zero documented proof of military, intelligence, or criminal application in real life to date.)

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[personal profile] nicholas_lucien 2020-05-18 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Would vampire coercion of any type count? Because Nick, and a few other vampires, seem to think they were forced into becoming a vampire against their will. That they didn't have a choice or they wanted to choose something different.
Edited 2020-05-18 03:10 (UTC)
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[personal profile] nicholas_lucien 2020-05-18 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
Not hypnotized as often shown in the show, but somehow still highly influenced or ordered during the conversion? At least for Urs and Serena, they seemed very surprised at what had happened when they found out they were now vampires.
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[personal profile] skieswideopen 2020-05-18 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I would prefer to believe that vampiric hypnotism can't force someone to do something entirely against their nature, only sway them to a different choice they might have made anyway (rather like the multiverse discussion in Ted Chiang's "Anxiety Is the Dizziness of Freedom"). However, as you say, there do seem to be some cases where people on FK were hypnotized into doing things that seem likely for them, like reporters giving up an investigation. Perhaps in some of those cases the fear of encountering a vampire and knowing they'd die if they continued, combined with hypnotism, provided sufficient incentive? Hypnotism might almost become an excuse to give in to fear in that situation.

(On a tangential note, the North American version of Being Human had vampiric hypnotism, but got around it being the easy solution to everything by making the main vampire character absolutely terrible at it. Since he rarely and only reluctantly dealt with other vampires, he had to seek other solutions most of the time.)
Edited 2020-05-18 20:13 (UTC)