brightknightie: Lacroix, Janette and Nick in Victorian apparel (Trio Fang Gang)
Amy ([personal profile] brightknightie) wrote2016-07-13 08:16 pm

3 FK flashback ponderings

[personal profile] skieswideopen has very generously been helping me brainstorm for my [community profile] fkficfest/[livejournal.com profile] fkficfest assignment. We've bumped into a few FK flashback ponderings that I think I can open up generally to everyone. I think that these won't reveal which prompts I received (or what I might do with them; I don't yet know, myself!).

If these inspire you to a story, in or out of the fest, please do write away! The more, the merrier!

Think over some FK history questions with us? :-)

1) Why London during the Blitz? Why all 3 together?

In the flashbacks of "Father Figure" (1941), we find Nick, Janette, and Lacroix in London during the Blitz. Presumably, they could have made their way almost anywhere else in the world, including, for example, a Canadian or US city which, while not exactly at peace, was at least not under siege. Did they choose not to? Or were they stuck for some reason?

  • We know from "Unreality TV" (1861-1862), "Night in Question" (1853) and "Can't Run, Can't Hide" (1971), among others, that Lacroix quite likes battlefields for the blood, fear, and death. Is that why he chose to stay in London?

  • We know from "Outside the Lines" (1942) (though I personally do so despair of those flashbacks; how could you possibly not know better, Nick?!) that Nick later involves himself in the fighting — specifically for free France, against the Nazis and Vichy. Is that why Nick chose to stay in Europe?

  • What about Janette? I suppose, in times of such turmoil, she may be safer with Nick and Lacroix than alone... though if that's the reason, apparently it all goes to pot after the Daniel incident. And if Nick goes from London to Lyon, and Lacroix follows him, where does Janette go?

Prudent FK vampires would surely shelter from air raids just like anyone else. Bombs could burn vampires to death, as well as blow off their heads, or drive wood through their hearts. What is it like to be an FK vampire in a city of blackout curtains and curfews?

2) How did Nick and Janette each feel about the time Lacroix ordered Nick to abandon Janette to hunters?

In the flashbacks of "Hunters" (1840), as Nick, Janette, and Lacroix flee — on horseback, in daylight, trailing smoke — from armed humans hunting vampires, Lacroix orders Nick to "Leave her!" (meaning Janette) when she can't keep up.

That's, uh, not the most caring thing Lacroix ever says about Janette.

(Note that I'm positing that Lacroix means what he says here. If you'd like to posit that he didn't mean it, that's a different proposition.)

By 1840, it can be no surprise to either Nick or Janette that Lacroix's values, preferences, and practices are what they are. But that's not a common sentiment, a usual directive, expressed in so many words. After the incident ended, when they'd gotten safely away from the hunters and had a good days' sleep... how did Nick and Janette each feel about that order from Lacroix? Devalued? Bound together against him? Shrug it off, from knowing — even sharing — Lacroix's worldview, in which the weak should be eliminated for the sake of the strong? (Those philosophies only sound appealing when you're certain you're secure among the strong, I suspect. What happens when you suddenly feel your own vulnerabilities?)

3) When, and why, did Nick, Janette, and Lacroix stop regularly posing as nobility and begin living usually middle-class lives?

Obviously, until a middle class as we know it came into existence, this wasn't really an option. While there have almost always been merchants and crafters and professions, it wasn't always the same thing as what we today consider middle class. So, for a parameter, let's posit that this just wasn't an available option pretty much anywhere until the latter 18th century, and in some places not until much later. Before that, at least in Europe, where our main vampire characters mostly hung out, people were rich or poor, nobility or not, and Nick, Janette, and Lacroix usually chose to be among the rich and comfortable.

But at some point, that changed. They — even Lacroix, apparently last of all — got jobs. They didn't seek the rich and powerful (and famous! is that significant?) anymore. Were there specific turning points for each of them as individuals? Or was it just the way of the world, turning around them, without any specific decisions? Or was it something decreed or recommended in some manner, perhaps by Aristotle or Larry Merlin or the Enforcers?

Nick was still palling around with royalty as late as the flashbacks of "Strings" (1916). But then, and for many centuries before, he almost indiscriminately let people call him by his first name, which would have been quite an intimacy and sign of solidarity in most of those times and places.

When, in "Cherry Blossoms," Janette teases Nick about how rich he is and how much his loft doesn't show it, he replies as if instructing her about how to be an inconspicuous middle-class person. Does he really think she doesn't know? Or is he weighting it on the police officer side, which of course she actually wouldn't know? What about Lacroix's job at CERK — is it his first employment, as such?
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[personal profile] greerwatson 2016-07-14 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
I tend to think of Lacroix's job at CERK as more of a hobby than anything—and that he prefers to treat the jobs Nick takes as being hobbies as well (which I am equally sure is not Nick's point of view).

I suspect that, to Janette, owning the Raven is by way of being a sort of community service. She surely finds the obligations laid on her by mortal society, such as taxes, to be irksome; but the club allows her to offer refuge to other denizens of the night, both vampire and mortal. The working of some maternal instinct, perhaps, given that (aside from the Baroness) she has not brought anyone across that we know of, yet does sometimes seem to betray a measure of regret in that regard.
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[personal profile] lastscorpion 2016-07-14 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Air raids during the Blitz were mostly at night.

Vampires are much quicker than humans, and they can fly. Maybe it's fun for them to be outside during the bombing, flying around & dodging the bombs. Most of your fire-and-wood-shrapnel hazards would be avoided that way (and it would be cool.)

Nobody could see you except Nazi pilots & bombardiers. And breaking into their planes & eating them would be patriotic!
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[personal profile] greerwatson 2016-07-16 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Crackfic for Lacroix's family, maybe. However, I can quite see Vachon playing plane-less fighter pilot and finding the whole thing hilarious.
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[personal profile] lastscorpion 2016-07-18 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
I guess I've just got a crackfic sort of a brain....
*shrug*

Too bad Spike & Dru couldn't fly.
senmut: Lacroix and Janette together (Forever Knight: Lacroix Janette)

Approaching number 2

[personal profile] senmut 2016-07-15 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Bear in mind, I do not keep the timeline straight in my head very well at all. However, how close is Hunters to one of Jeanette's prolonged absences from them? Perhaps, if it was close, he was still smarting from her willful independence.

Secondary thought, daughters are far less gift and more burden to the Roman mindset.

Tertiary thought, I believe Nick is fully on his own two decades later, if I recall a Civil War flashback? Could that incident have sparked the separation?
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Re: Approaching number 2

[personal profile] nicholas_lucien 2016-08-10 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I had always wondered (unless Janette is just way more sensitive to sunlight) why she seemed more hurt than LaCroix or Nick during the chase. As long as the horse could run, all she had to do was hang on. Perhaps she had been hurt before, as in the hunters had found her and were chasing her. Perhaps LaCroix was irritated she had inadvertently led the hunters directly to them. Maybe he thought she should have to deal with the problem she had created.
Edited 2016-08-10 19:33 (UTC)